{"id":12935,"date":"2020-11-17T09:57:45","date_gmt":"2020-11-17T17:57:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogschapman.wpenginepowered.com\/wilkinson\/2020\/11\/17\/studying-consciousness-and-the-quantum\/"},"modified":"2026-07-20T23:51:50","modified_gmt":"2026-07-20T23:51:50","slug":"studying-consciousness-and-the-quantum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/2020\/11\/17\/studying-consciousness-and-the-quantum\/","title":{"rendered":"Studying Consciousness and the Quantum"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_12936\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-12936\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/62\/2020\/11\/me.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-12936\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-12936\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/62\/2020\/11\/me.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"160\" height=\"160\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-12936\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dr. Kelvin McQueen<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.chapman.edu\/our-faculty\/kelvin-mcqueen\">Dr. Kelvin McQueen<\/a> (Chapman University, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/index.aspx\">Wilkinson College<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/philosophy\/index.aspx\">Philosophy<\/a>) and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.iqoqi-vienna.at\/team\/mueller-group\/markus-mueller\">Dr. Markus P. M\u00fcller<\/a> (Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information, Vienna, Austria) have individually tried to answer these questions in two quite different and unconventional ways. Through a $31,728 grant, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/fqxi.org\/grants\/large\/awardees\/view\/__details\/2020\/mcqueen\">Mathematical models of idealism and dualism: an adversarial collaboration<\/a>,\u201d awarded from the <a href=\"https:\/\/fqxi.org\/grants\/large\/awardees\/list?year=2020\">Foundational Questions Institute (FQXi)<\/a>, McQueen and M\u00fcller will investigate these topics more deeply through an \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/slatestarcodex.com\/2019\/07\/24\/adversarial-collaboration-contest-2019\/\">adversarial collaboration<\/a>,\u201d an effort by two people with opposing opinions on a topic to collaborate on a summary of the evidence.<\/p>\n<p>The investigators disagree on the mathematical nature of consciousness and on whether it might play a role in quantum mechanics, a branch of physics relating to the very small. McQueen has developed a leading mathematical model of dualism, while M\u00fcller has developed a leading mathematical model of idealism. Both approaches have interesting implications for our understanding of the fundamental nature of consciousness and of fundamental reality more generally.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em><strong>\u201cMarkus\u2019 views on these topics could not be further from my own. Yet, we share common ground in the mathematical tools we use &#8211; information theory. We aim to build on this common ground and come to a more objective understanding of these topics. We are excited to be hosting a major international conference at Chapman in 2022.\u201d &#8211; Kelvin McQueen<\/strong><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_12937\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-12937\" style=\"width: 370px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/62\/2020\/11\/consciousness-and-information-theory-II.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-12937\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12937 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/62\/2020\/11\/consciousness-and-information-theory-II.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"370\" height=\"353\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/62\/2020\/11\/consciousness-and-information-theory-II.jpg 370w, https:\/\/blogs.chapman.edu\/wilkinson\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/62\/2020\/11\/consciousness-and-information-theory-II-300x286.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 370px) 100vw, 370px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-12937\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Consciousness and information theory II.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>In particular, McQueen proposes that we combine dynamical collapse theories (such as GRW, Penrose, or CSL) with mathematical theories of consciousness (such as integrated information theory, IIT). Such a theory can be experimentally tested, e.g., by quantum computers, and could solve the problem of finding a measurable criterion for consciousness. This can be seen as a version of dualism: there are fundamental physical processes (unitary evolution) and fundamental mental processes (collapses).<\/p>\n<p>In M\u00fcller\u2019s model, collapse is not a real physical process. Quantum states represent propensities of an agent\u2019s future records, and collapse is a probabilistic update. The model postulates a structural notion of \u201cmind\u201d or \u201cself\u201d as fundamental (which may be conscious or not) and (in contrast, e.g., to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.quantamagazine.org\/quantum-bayesianism-explained-by-its-founder-20150604\/\">Quantum Bayesianism<\/a>) the external physical world as emergent. This can be seen as a version of idealism.<\/p>\n<p>McQueen and M\u00fcller will analyze how well their models can address the fundamental questions. What are the goals, advantages, and challenges of the different models? Which underlying assumptions are reflected by the mathematical modeling? Can their models be improved by using the other one\u2019s tools (algorithmic information theory in M\u00fcller\u2019s case, IIT in McQueen\u2019s)? McQueen and M\u00fcller aim for an undogmatic and balanced view, informed by mathematics, and aimed at a broad audience.<\/p>\n<p>In this project, McQueen and M\u00fcller will organize a one-week workshop at Chapman University, followed by a two-week intense collaboration at Chapman and then at Vienna, to discuss these issues. After that, McQueen and M\u00fcller will work on a scientific paper that describes the insights gained via their adversarial collaboration.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What is the role of consciousness and the observer in quantum mechanics, and how should we model it mathematically?\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2854,"featured_media":12939,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"custom_author_name":"","chapman_pin_hero_slider":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[3,4,5,2555],"tags":[2925,2777,2926,93],"class_list":["post-12935","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-awardsscholarships","category-faculty-awards","category-news","category-philosophy","tag-consciousness-and-the-quantum","tag-grant","tag-kelvin-mcqueen","tag-philosophy"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.1 - 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